ABBÉ BARTHE TO VIGANÒ ON THE VATICAN II: YOUR EXAMPLE HELPS US.
20 Giugno 2020
Dear friends and enemies of Stilum Curiae, Abbé Claude Barthe, the author of numerous books, including Trouvera-t-il encore la foi sur la terre? Une crise de l’Église, histoire et questions (François-Xavier de Guibert, 2006, 3ème édition) and La Messe de Vatican II. Dossier historique (Via Romana, 2018), has read the declarations of Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò on the theme of the Second Vatican Council, and has sent us this open letter. Happy reading.
A Historic Event: The Critique of Vatican II by Archbishop Viganò
Open Letter of Father Claude Barthe
Allow me to respond to Your Excellency’s “Excursus on Vatican II and Its Consequences” (Chiesa e post concilio, 9 June 2020), in order to emphasize, in all modesty, its great interest for the Church.
Permit me to summarize it in five points:
1) Vatican II contains texts “in clear opposition to the doctrine expressed in the Tradition.”
Your attack on Vatican II is aimed at the following:
– That which is in direct disagreement with preceding doctrine, such as the religious freedom of the declaration Dignitatis Humanae and the foundations of the new relationship with non-Christian religions of the declaration Nostra Aetate (we could also add the decree on ecumenism, Unitatis Redintegratio, n.3, which introduces the innovation of the idea of the “imperfect communion” that those separated from Christ and from Church are said to have with Christ and the Church,);
– The ambiguities that can be used in the sense of truth or error, such as the term “subsistit” in n. 8 of the Constitution Lumen Gentium: “The Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church” instead of “The Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.”
2) These doctrinal distortions are at the origin of the errors that followed them – the proof of the “spirit of the Council.”
You explain that the deviations or the most harmful elements for the faith of Christians that mark the post-conciliar period (you cite the Abu Dhabi Declaration, but also the Day in Assisi, the liturgical reform, the use of collegiality) have their origins in these distortions.
Further, from this text it clearly emerges that the concept of the “spirit of the Council” confirms the innovative specificity of this assembly, because “there was never talk of a “spirit of the Council of Nicea” or the “spirit of the Council of Ferrara-Florence,” even less the “spirit of the Council of Trent,” just as we never had a “post-conciliar” era after Lateran IV or Vatican I.”
3) These distortions cannot be corrected.
The efforts to correct the excesses of the Council, you say, are futile:
- One such option is to take the insufficient path of the “hermeneutic of continuity.” Much less is this possible since this hermeneutic is not a return to the preceding magisterium but represents the search for a third way between innovation and tradition. Benedict XVI, in his discourse to the Roman Curia of December 22, 2005, proposed a “hermeneutic of renewal in continuity” in opposition to the “hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture”; but by this latter statement he focused both on “traditionalists” as well as “progressives,” who both hold that Vatican II made a certain rupture.
- Or, one calls upon the Magisterium to “correct” the errors of Vatican II. You rightly show that this project, “even with the best of intentions, threatens the foundation of the Catholic edifice.” In reality, opposing the magisterium of tomorrow against that of today, which in turn contradicts the magisterium of yesterday, would end up meaning that no magisterial act would ever be definitive.
Therefore, in a further statement made on June 15 (Chiesa e post concilio), you are of the opinion that a future pope “could annul the entire council.”
If I were to be allowed to amplify your analysis, I would say that the only solution for contradicting a preceding act with a magisterial act is to note that the act in question is not magisterial in its entirety. For example, Pastor Aeternus of Vatican I in 1870 annulled the decree Frequens of the Council of Constance in 1417, which purported to institutionalize the superiority of a Council over the pope. This annulment was possible because the Holy See had never recognized the dogmatic value of Frequens. In the same way, with Vatican II we find ourselves in the same situation as Frequens, because the organs of the Council itself (Dz 4351) and all of its successive interpretations held that this Council was of a merely “pastoral” nature, that is, not dogmatic. In fact, the great way out of the present magisterial crisis is to come out of what is called the “pastoral” and to enter once again into dogmatics: that the Pope alone or the pope and the bishops united to him express themselves magisterially and no longer “pastorally.”
4) – The present pontificate is clearly paradoxical.
You write: “What we have for years heard enunciated, vaguely and without clear connotations, from the highest Throne, we then find elaborated in a true and proper manifesto in the supporters of the present Pontificate.”
This is what many who have tried to give a pious interpretation to the controversial texts of Vatican II feel: they recognize that this is not possible because of the somewhat authentic application that is being done today. The texts of this pontificate are the culmination of the controversial points of the council, such as for example the erroneous recognition of the rights of conscience in the exhortation Amoris Laetitia, which in n. 301 affirms that in certain circumstances adultery is not a sin.
5) A duty of conscience therefore weighs on the prelates of the Church who are aware of this situation.
Speaking of yourself, you say: “Just as I honestly and serenely obeyed questionable orders sixty years ago, believing that they represented the loving voice of the Church, so today with equal serenity and honesty I recognize that I have been deceived. Being coherent today by persevering in error would represent a wretched choice and would make me an accomplice in this fraud.”
Some prelates, above all after the last synodal assemblies, have been led to trace the consequences of the present situation back to their causes, which were established half a century ago. Your example and your encouragement can help them to express, in conscience, for the good of the Church, their disagreement with these causes: the defective points of Vatican II.
Translated by Giuseppe Pellegrino @pellegrino2020
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DG +AB Vigano we stand with you “PETITION”
Deo Gratias and gratitude to you Archbishop Viganò, keep speaking!
Quoting from the Gospel of St John chapter 10.
We the little people of the Church are so grateful to Our Lord that He has given us a Shepherd prepared to guard the sheep door. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
We know your voice and not that of the hireling. 5 But a stranger they follow not, but fly from him, because they know not the voice of strangers.
We understood not what Pope Benedict spoke when he said during the Mass of the inauguration of His Pontificate.
“Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves. Let us pray for one another, that the Lord will carry us and that we will learn to carry one another.” Benedict XVI, Sunday, 24 April 2005
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal and to kill and to destroy. I am come that they may have life and may have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd giveth his life for his sheep.12 But the hireling and he that is not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming and leaveth the sheep and flieth: and the wolf casteth and scattereth the sheep,
Here we judge not Pope Benedict or Pope Francis but rather pray as requested, for them both as we only know our own sins and that we have been scattered and confused.
We who are followers have been raised on trust, our trust has been deceived and now we have been scattered and rejected by our own Shepherds and we know not their voice but yours. We have all lived Vatican II and the fruit has been to produce collegial “hirelings” lifestyle jobs that are of the world and for the world.
We are followers we want to see the backs of our Shepherds leading us to the Altar of Sacrifice. We know our hands are not consecrated like theirs, but like little children we want to be feed the Pannis Angelicus to our mouths and on our knees in adoration.
We know that God never changes and that to confer that solid rigidity of unwavering permanency against the wicked storms of time Our Lord changed Simon’s name to Cephas, Peter, Rock.
Every time Archbishop Vigano speaks out publicly as a Shepherd on our behalf, we the undersigned will in union and specifically for the Archbishop’s protection and intentions do the following.
1. Fast a day on bread and water. (For those working it may be advisable to do so on the next available day off work and advise spouses and children of your intention).
2. Pray a 5-decade Rosary (Ideally this may be a family Rosary)
3. Spread the Archbishop’s public message as effectively as possible.
4. Study critical evaluations of Vatican Council II and changes to the Sacraments
St Paul in 1 Corinthians tells us twice how the Faith taught by Jesus Christ is to be transmitted unadulterated from generation to generation and from Bishop to Bishop “For I delivered unto you first of all, which I also received” 1 Cor 15:3 & also 11:23
Speaking of the Vatican Council II, Bishop Johannes Jobst SAC, the last of the German Council Fathers said “Here I got to know a completely new way to theological thinking,” he admitted this during an interview in 2009 about his work as a Council Father.1
Regretfully all the Conciliar Pope’s have praised Vat 2, this “aggiornamento” , “renewal” or “new way”. However, we the signed have lived and suffered the Council and disagree with these Popes on the Vat 2. Christ told us “Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.” St Matt 7:20 e.g. From the Australian Catholic Bishops Conference statistics in 1966 reveal that from every 147.49 laity produced one vocation to the Priesthood or Religious 1:147.49 and by 2017 it would take 702.74 laity 1:702.74 that is a 79% DECREASE. Therefore we the signed agree with Archbishop Vigano’s assessment of Vat 2 and its Liturgy.
“I believe that the essential point for effectively conducting a spiritual, doctrinal and moral battle against the enemies of the Church is the persuasion that the present crisis is the metastasis of the conciliar cancer,” 2
“If we have not understood the causal relationship between Vatican II and its logical and necessary consequences over the course of the last sixty years,” Viganò said, “it will not be possible to steer the rudder of the Church back to the direction given it by her Divine Helmsman, the course that it maintained for two thousand years.” 2
Following the Second Vatican Council, Viganò said, “they catechized us with the hateful phrase ‘there is no going back’ with regard to the Liturgy, the Faith, moral teaching, penance, asceticism.” 2
1. Posted On 2014-08-01 In Schoenstatters
2. Lifesite News Abp Viganò: Recognizing problems of Vatican II essential to fighting today’s crises
We will endeavour to wear the Brown Scapular, study and comply to the message of Our Lady of Fatima. Fast, Pray and Study.
By signing this petition this commitment is not binding under any pain of sin.